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the constitution. >> i am supporting president obama for the upcoming election. he deserves another term so it can experience his policies coming into fruition. >> failed economic records. i will be voting for mitt romney to do a better job. >> gary johnson will uphold the constitution and stay out of unneeded wars. >> you can find out more about c-span's political coverage on our website. now a debate from nebraska. that seat is open. this is about an hour. >> i will be the moderator. we welcome those across the nation joining us on c-span. we're live tweeting this debate. you can give us your comments during and after the debate on our facebook page. the candidates will face questions from nebraskan journalists and citizens across the state and also questions from each other. the rules are simple. each candidate will have 90 seconds to respond to the question and 30 seconds for a rebuttal. tonight's debate is taking place in front of a live studio audience. before we meet the candidates, let's introduce the panel of journalists that will be asking the question
the constitution. >> i am supporting president obama for the upcoming election. he deserves another term so it can experience his policies coming into fruition. >> failed economic records. i will be voting for mitt romney to do a better job. >> gary johnson will uphold the constitution and stay out of unneeded wars. >> you can find out more about c-span's political coverage on our website. now a debate from nebraska. that seat is open. this is about an hour. >> i...
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obama a chance that another four years to fix it? a lot of young people and a lot of us are not grateful. the country has not gone down to the pits. if this had continued, we would be financially bankrupt. president obama had not said he was going to do what he wanted to do, this would not have come up. host: there was a young voter back in the '60s. maybe you can look at her historical perspective. guest: i share the interest encouraging young people to vote. that is our focus for the next 30 days or so. the turnout in elections has been on the rise. from 2000 and 2008, national involvement rose. when we talk about youth engagement, we have to understand the historical perspective which is to understand that the high use of voter turnout increases. we have to put that into perspective and understand 2012 and understand about the rise in 2008 was because of things that have been put into place like campaigns and the work -- youth organizations to reach out to young people. we hope we can continue to build those infrastructures so tha
obama a chance that another four years to fix it? a lot of young people and a lot of us are not grateful. the country has not gone down to the pits. if this had continued, we would be financially bankrupt. president obama had not said he was going to do what he wanted to do, this would not have come up. host: there was a young voter back in the '60s. maybe you can look at her historical perspective. guest: i share the interest encouraging young people to vote. that is our focus for the next 30...
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bush and the last four years of rock obama, but what they have had to deal with, in fairness, is 9/11, a couple of wars that require a lot of spending, the tax cuts of george bush -- i am not sure where you stood on those, but they did eat into the amount of money we had to spend -- and then the recession, which was some say close to a depression. did that time prevent us from being able to make deficits and debt a top priority? >> it should not have. it could have, but it should not have come out if people were thinking clearly, if they were well educated, if they even understood this whole damn thing, which they do not. if you say what percentage of the american people understand this, i would say it is a very low number. it to be everybody, and everybody should say this is my country. people should be very active about not letting anything damaged our country. the one thing we have not mentioned at all, there is no question at all in my mind, if we keep going this way, some nation is going to head over here to take us. if they did, they have picked the right time, right? i wish eve
bush and the last four years of rock obama, but what they have had to deal with, in fairness, is 9/11, a couple of wars that require a lot of spending, the tax cuts of george bush -- i am not sure where you stood on those, but they did eat into the amount of money we had to spend -- and then the recession, which was some say close to a depression. did that time prevent us from being able to make deficits and debt a top priority? >> it should not have. it could have, but it should not have...
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i thought we had control of congress and we had a chance with obama for four years. now they can say we can tax you for doing nothing. i will give the other party a try. i will let the republicans have this one and see what they can do in a few years. if they suck, my vote will change again. host: interesting call. now we are on the line in pennsylvania with pstill phylis. turn down the tv. caller: hi. host: you are an independent. what are you thinking right now? caller: i will not vote for biden. he sounds crazy, always granting. nothing he says makes sense to me. as far as obama, i watch him. when he went overseas and talk about how we need to apologize for everything we do. and then i heard an interview that he gave with someone when he said that after his mother- in-law had surgery that it would be a good idea if an older person lived on pain pills instead of having their problem taken care of. another thing, and egos around the country and talks, he looks almost like the rabble-rousers' when he goes around the country, it looks almost like a rabble rouser. host
i thought we had control of congress and we had a chance with obama for four years. now they can say we can tax you for doing nothing. i will give the other party a try. i will let the republicans have this one and see what they can do in a few years. if they suck, my vote will change again. host: interesting call. now we are on the line in pennsylvania with pstill phylis. turn down the tv. caller: hi. host: you are an independent. what are you thinking right now? caller: i will not vote for...
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look at what the obama administration is doing right now. it's not that different from what the bush administration did throughout its to terms, especially at the end. given that there is that consensus, that is one of the recent national security is not an issue. it's also why some things are a little more litigious in the national security area. >> this will be the last question. >> any predictions for retirement? >> i need it will depend on who the next president is. obviously we have several justices who are getting older, but i think most of them would feel if they were voluntarily retiring and not forced to do so by health concerns or other circumstances, the honorable thing to do is retiring during the term of the party that a plea to do in the first place. you could seek justice ginsburg -- i think she is trying to make a record for how long she is staying on the court. if president obama is there, we may see her retire. you may see scalia or kennedy retire if we have a president romney. it makes a huge shift in the court based on th
look at what the obama administration is doing right now. it's not that different from what the bush administration did throughout its to terms, especially at the end. given that there is that consensus, that is one of the recent national security is not an issue. it's also why some things are a little more litigious in the national security area. >> this will be the last question. >> any predictions for retirement? >> i need it will depend on who the next president is....
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president obama has not had the four years he wanted to have. he had to talk about it and defend it tonight. he simply -- neil: what do you make, congressman, the argument, that the president is the champ; right? he survived without getting knocked down or knocked out certainly, the default goes to the champ. the champ regimely gets the decision. >> well, i don't know. i saw moments where it looked like he was on the canvas. when mitt romney was coming barks, and point by point saying, yes, you cut medicare -- neil: the five trillion, did you, you did not -- >> here's why it register. anyone on medicare knows the government does not give you a direct amount of money. the government reimburses the doctors. if the government cuts the money that reimburses your doctors, that's how the government cuts medicare. few understand that. neil: at the very least, you think mitt romney might have arrested what had been some losing momentum in the swing states? >> mitt romney sounded like a president tonight, looked like a president. there's no substitute fo
president obama has not had the four years he wanted to have. he had to talk about it and defend it tonight. he simply -- neil: what do you make, congressman, the argument, that the president is the champ; right? he survived without getting knocked down or knocked out certainly, the default goes to the champ. the champ regimely gets the decision. >> well, i don't know. i saw moments where it looked like he was on the canvas. when mitt romney was coming barks, and point by point saying,...
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bush and the last four years of rock obama, but what they have had to deal with, in fairness, is 9/11, a couple of wars that require a lot of spending, the tax cuts of george bush -- i am not sure where you stood on those, but they did eat into the amount of money we had to spend -- and then the recession, which was some say close to a depression. did that time prevent us from being able to make deficits and debt a top priority? >> it should not have. it could have, but it should not have come out if people were thinking clearly, if they were well educated, if they even understood this whole damn thing, which they do not. if you say what percentage of the american people understand this, i would say it is a very low number. it to be everybody, and everybody should say this is my country. people should be very active about not letting anything damaged our country. the one thing we have not mentioned at all, there is no question at all in my mind, if we keep going this way, some nation is going to head over here to take us. if they did, they have picked the right time, right? i wish eve
bush and the last four years of rock obama, but what they have had to deal with, in fairness, is 9/11, a couple of wars that require a lot of spending, the tax cuts of george bush -- i am not sure where you stood on those, but they did eat into the amount of money we had to spend -- and then the recession, which was some say close to a depression. did that time prevent us from being able to make deficits and debt a top priority? >> it should not have. it could have, but it should not have...
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in office obama has not made any headway in closing the legal torture house known as guantanamo and romney has said that we ought to double it both candidates support the exportation of torture whether through the use of solitary confinement of whistleblowers in this country or extraordinary rendition abroad both adamantly support the growing surveillance state and the erosion of our civil liberties through things like the patriot act and warrantless wiretapping both candidates are dead set on the continuation of the failed drug war that's resulted in thousands of lives lost abroad and the crackdown on states' rights here at home both support overturning one of the most fundamental civil liberties of all due process to the national defense authorization act you know it's not really surprising that these things don't get talked about because both candidates although they differ in my new show regarding domestic issues they both subscribe to the fundamental policies that are destroying this country that talks a fine corrupt policy supporting the military machine justifying endless war
in office obama has not made any headway in closing the legal torture house known as guantanamo and romney has said that we ought to double it both candidates support the exportation of torture whether through the use of solitary confinement of whistleblowers in this country or extraordinary rendition abroad both adamantly support the growing surveillance state and the erosion of our civil liberties through things like the patriot act and warrantless wiretapping both candidates are dead set on...
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for a bomb of this year in particular. >> i think that is very true. -- for obama this year in particular. >> the gap is the headline. very much so. >> question for all of you before we move to another clip that we have going to our point of how to move beyond winning and losing. wondering what would be the most important thing for me to look at what i am watching the debate. ? the debate is open, what should i look at in the beginning? my perspective would be the most important thing you want to look for is democratic leadership. how does this person perform democratic leadership? we have a set of conflicting expectations that the president the democratic or ordinary, someone we can relate to and would react like we would. someone who will subordinate himself or herself to the public will and be responsive servant. someone democratic and with the people, but also somewhat someone who could take charge of public problems. those things have to come in a very delicate balance. that is often what kids overstepped. that is something i look at. you could think of times when it has been overste
for a bomb of this year in particular. >> i think that is very true. -- for obama this year in particular. >> the gap is the headline. very much so. >> question for all of you before we move to another clip that we have going to our point of how to move beyond winning and losing. wondering what would be the most important thing for me to look at what i am watching the debate. ? the debate is open, what should i look at in the beginning? my perspective would be the most...
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this makes the point that barack obama has done everything possible to raise energy prices. years ago we said electricity rates will skyrocket in terms of slow walking permitting, the keystone pipeline,. melissa: the man hates gasoline. >> it's clever, but if you want to hit the administration where they are truly weak, i'm talking about since last year, but he one-hit the president where he is absolutely week, mortgages, mortgages, mortgages. the administration has done nothing to help middle-class americans when it comes to this to here is another one. take a look at this. it is an advertisement from this pennis u.s. catalog. there are no women in any of the items in the ikea catalog. who are the customers they are trying to sell to? >> cultural sensitivity. melissa: yes, that's right. >> if you want to talk about the real war on women, let's talk about this. you do have to be sensitive as to where you're trying to sell products be mentally recall that ikea had the first ads in the united states with the two men that were partnered. clearly, they are preparing the saudi's
this makes the point that barack obama has done everything possible to raise energy prices. years ago we said electricity rates will skyrocket in terms of slow walking permitting, the keystone pipeline,. melissa: the man hates gasoline. >> it's clever, but if you want to hit the administration where they are truly weak, i'm talking about since last year, but he one-hit the president where he is absolutely week, mortgages, mortgages, mortgages. the administration has done nothing to help...
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obama. >> what kind of finishing school did you go to governor? the idea here is that my plan did work. there are more people working than when i took office. there are more people who got tax breaks in the middle class. >> cenk: yeah, the rich. >> and are you listening? governor? in the middle class $3,600 average per family in the middle class, and we are in a continued wave of recovery. the people see it working. you haven't given us a plan either about what you're going to do. at least we know my plan and we know it's working. >> cenk: we do know your plan, and look, i like you. i would like to go to dinner with you and share a burger with you. >> i can't afford to eat there. >> cenk: the reality is not who is nicer we need a serious man for serious times and i think you have failed. >> i don't think i have, and i don't think the middle class will think that i have, governor. the other thing i would do, governor, i would go to the center and not talk from the left. i would go to the center because you have the luxury of doing whatever you want
obama. >> what kind of finishing school did you go to governor? the idea here is that my plan did work. there are more people working than when i took office. there are more people who got tax breaks in the middle class. >> cenk: yeah, the rich. >> and are you listening? governor? in the middle class $3,600 average per family in the middle class, and we are in a continued wave of recovery. the people see it working. you haven't given us a plan either about what you're going to...
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obama was in the middle of a sentence. mitt romney interrupted and said, you were president for four years, and the president just said, yep. didn't keep going. didn't say wait a second. i'm still talking. none of that. >> you're right. you know, when the president was looking down, this was a different thing for him, because a lot of the times he has that chin up and he's usually in control and powerful and his body language reflects that. by looking down as well as backing down from those kind of interruptions from mitt romney, and mitt romney did that all night to show how he could be aggressive and assertive and go toe to toe with this president and look presidential. romney was effective in doing that during this debate where the president -- i think his strategy was to be more likeable, and we saw that congruent in his body language, with the head tilts, which are around the idea of likability, which was a big thing toure brought up earlier at the top of the program. >> we saw a lot of the president's stress and disl
obama was in the middle of a sentence. mitt romney interrupted and said, you were president for four years, and the president just said, yep. didn't keep going. didn't say wait a second. i'm still talking. none of that. >> you're right. you know, when the president was looking down, this was a different thing for him, because a lot of the times he has that chin up and he's usually in control and powerful and his body language reflects that. by looking down as well as backing down from...
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host: is that any different from all president obama four years ago? caller: no, and i agree but that, it also. it is the same song and dance we have had the last four years. looks like we're on to have another four years about. host: what did you think of romney's proposal to bring an aircraft carrier group back to the middle east? caller: it would probably be good for the economy, getting a few people back to work, but as far as driving people away from home again, nah -- host: thank you for calling in. next up is charlotte in georgia on the republican line. what did you think? caller: and so impressed with governor romney. i am so excited to vote for a president that has america plus interests at heart. i believe this man can turn america crown. -- around. [indiscernbile] and knowledge that we are not going to stand for it, this nonsense going on overseas, america needs to wake up and look at this man and vote for romney. host: that was charlotte in georgia. we received several dozen tweets on this issue. i want to read some very quickly. paul says
host: is that any different from all president obama four years ago? caller: no, and i agree but that, it also. it is the same song and dance we have had the last four years. looks like we're on to have another four years about. host: what did you think of romney's proposal to bring an aircraft carrier group back to the middle east? caller: it would probably be good for the economy, getting a few people back to work, but as far as driving people away from home again, nah -- host: thank you for...
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which you can't mram president obama for in totality his first year that he inherited this big mess. now it's down to 7.8%. doesn't that show that he is on the right trajectory and kind of undermining the central argument for you? >> oh, i don't think so. you know, it's like this, candy. if you are getting blown out in a football game but you are scoring field goals once a quarter, you can't point to the three points every quarter and say at least we're scoring some points. we're still getting clobbered. the fact of the matter is the president and joe biden are getting clobbered on policies they put in place. we're nowhere close. i was in wisconsin yesterday. been in ohio practically of other day. i'll tell you what, people in kenosha, wisconsin, and ohio don't feel better off today than they were four years ago, and they don't think this president has been very good at following through on his promises. that's what this is going to come down to, and i'll tell you what, last week you saw the difference. an unfiltered mitt romney and an unfiltered barack obama. you saw inspiration, he
which you can't mram president obama for in totality his first year that he inherited this big mess. now it's down to 7.8%. doesn't that show that he is on the right trajectory and kind of undermining the central argument for you? >> oh, i don't think so. you know, it's like this, candy. if you are getting blown out in a football game but you are scoring field goals once a quarter, you can't point to the three points every quarter and say at least we're scoring some points. we're still...
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look at president obama and his strategy with regard said drones and covert operations. it's very exceptional is the. is in this exceptional as the impulse something that could actually be more extreme in the next several years? >> i was with you right up until the end because exceptional rosamund isolationism are two different things. exceptional some can be the engine for imperial foreign policy. is the sense that america has a special role to play, of his income is back to the founding of the nation that leads to a tremendous amount of global activity. >> i was saying about those linked. >> let me be upon the first part of your premise. rahway's and isolationist nation we tell ourselves the smith. we sit here minding our business and people do things to us are there are evil people who hijack our foreign policy. the truth is the as states was not an isolationist power. we started off as a strip of lightly inhabited colonies along the coast of the atlantic and steadily for roughly 400 years expanded our word. if you want to call that an isolationist nation, don't reall
look at president obama and his strategy with regard said drones and covert operations. it's very exceptional is the. is in this exceptional as the impulse something that could actually be more extreme in the next several years? >> i was with you right up until the end because exceptional rosamund isolationism are two different things. exceptional some can be the engine for imperial foreign policy. is the sense that america has a special role to play, of his income is back to the founding...
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i have been oppressed and i see obama so to give him a a chance over another four years we have to pull together. it is not easy to be a minority in america. >>host:
i have been oppressed and i see obama so to give him a a chance over another four years we have to pull together. it is not easy to be a minority in america. >>host:
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has to have obama re-elected this year. his ticket is to be the loyal vice president, have the second term go well. a 60% approval rating. the continuity becomes the argument and democrats want to reward the loyalty. you're right, we said in the run up to 2008 that hillary clinton was the most dominant front-runner in politics. that had nothing on what we should be if she decided to run in 2016. >> can i just -- no. i got to tell you. you know, i know she's enormously popular right now but it's because she's not running. i mean, it's not that hard to be that popular. >> but a lot of democrats are saying, wait a minute, she literally got shafted in 2008. this is not fair. this is her turn and thus -- look, this is -- >> they're saying, she's been a loyal soldier for the last eight years, quote-unquote. she has to run. >> i said it in '08. i'll say it in '16. it is not a place for loyalty or for mrs. clinton. it is an indication about one's own ability. i think she's fantastic. i really do. i also think that american voters d
has to have obama re-elected this year. his ticket is to be the loyal vice president, have the second term go well. a 60% approval rating. the continuity becomes the argument and democrats want to reward the loyalty. you're right, we said in the run up to 2008 that hillary clinton was the most dominant front-runner in politics. that had nothing on what we should be if she decided to run in 2016. >> can i just -- no. i got to tell you. you know, i know she's enormously popular right now...
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he told the crowd he would honor an executive order issued earlier this year by president obama which allows many young illegal immigrants to apply for temporary work permits. this is part of the dream act which romney has opposed in the past. >> pledging, quote, if i were elected and the congress should have passed the dream act, would i veto it? the answer is yes. >> instead of playing politics with these children, i will pursue permanent immigration reform. >> colorado is considered a battleground state and it also has a large hispanic population. the new stance could put immigration front and center alongside the economy in tomorrow night's first presidential debate. >>> on happy news, a big win in a different campaign 2012 as the game with the phillies headed into the bottom of the 9th last night and they were on the losing end, nats players and fans learned the braves had lost making washington the national league east champions. 9news now reporter kristin fisher is at nats park with more on reaction. good morning, kristin. >> reporter: good morning, andrea. i tell you what, thi
he told the crowd he would honor an executive order issued earlier this year by president obama which allows many young illegal immigrants to apply for temporary work permits. this is part of the dream act which romney has opposed in the past. >> pledging, quote, if i were elected and the congress should have passed the dream act, would i veto it? the answer is yes. >> instead of playing politics with these children, i will pursue permanent immigration reform. >> colorado is...
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. >> how they can justify raising taxes on the middle class that has been buried the last four years. >> they're being buried by the obama administration's economic failures. >> the obama campaign responded by saying congressman ryan took the vice president's comments out of context. 50 million people are expected to watch tonight's debate. >>> tonight the presidential debate between president obama and governor romney as we said will focus on domestic issues. we asked on facebook which topics do you hope the candidates will address. mickey writes how they propose changing social security. emily moon says the economy and job creation. and mark asks why we're paying almost $4 a gallon for gas. we here at 9news now in partnership with our sister paper "u.s.a. today" will be keeping track to see if the candidates address any of these issues and if what they say passes musters. we're deeming up with "u.s.a. today" reporters to bring you just the facts in tonight's debate. it's live beginning at 9:00 on wusa9.com. we'll be fact checking what the candidates say. we'll also live stream the d
. >> how they can justify raising taxes on the middle class that has been buried the last four years. >> they're being buried by the obama administration's economic failures. >> the obama campaign responded by saying congressman ryan took the vice president's comments out of context. 50 million people are expected to watch tonight's debate. >>> tonight the presidential debate between president obama and governor romney as we said will focus on domestic issues. we...
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possibly be better than the last four years. >> reporter: the obama campaign admits it needs a change in strategy for the next two debates. president obama held back from attacking romney during the debate but that changed when he returned to the campaign trail. >> i almost got to watch out. >> reporter: the president attacked romney's plan to cut subsidies to pbs and he said romney's positions were so different from what he said in the past he didn't even recognize who he was debating. >> whoever it was on stage last night doesn't want to be held accountable for what the real mitt romney has been saying for the last year. >> reporter: and again vice president biden gave the romney campaign another nugget to jump on. >> obama and biden want to raise taxes by $1 trillion. guess what? yes, we do. >> reporter: biden says the superwealthy need to pay more in taxes. romney says that would kill jobs. in washington, susan mcginnis, 9news now. >> forget the elephants for republicans and donkeys for democrats. there's an election going on in the dog and cat. the washington animal rescue league
possibly be better than the last four years. >> reporter: the obama campaign admits it needs a change in strategy for the next two debates. president obama held back from attacking romney during the debate but that changed when he returned to the campaign trail. >> i almost got to watch out. >> reporter: the president attacked romney's plan to cut subsidies to pbs and he said romney's positions were so different from what he said in the past he didn't even recognize who he was...
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ages of 18 to 34, nearly 31 million for 55 years or older. fox news channel averaged 10.4 million viewers that's an improvement over 8.24 years ago. cnn had about 6.1. about a million of your drop from the late. but still strong enough to beat msnbc's average of 4.7 million. this number of course does not include the numbers of people that watched on the internet or their mobile devices, and also c-span is not included in ratings to get there are basic numbers. 67 million people watching on television. next what's here on the role of government to trace of debate question is a call from carvin who is in hamilton montana. you are on. good morning, an independent. >> caller: yes, i think the government is here to help us do the intangible things we cannot do as individuals by ourselves, and i just want to say that the headlines down there in denver colorado where mitt romney winds i felt that was very disingenuous of the press buy not find enough the fact is going back to where the denver post was in reporting in the morning that mitt romney li
ages of 18 to 34, nearly 31 million for 55 years or older. fox news channel averaged 10.4 million viewers that's an improvement over 8.24 years ago. cnn had about 6.1. about a million of your drop from the late. but still strong enough to beat msnbc's average of 4.7 million. this number of course does not include the numbers of people that watched on the internet or their mobile devices, and also c-span is not included in ratings to get there are basic numbers. 67 million people watching on...
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women have lost more jobs under obama than any other president. that is a statistic the romney consistently rolls out women are suffering under obama more than any other president. it's not necessarily because of obama's policies. it's budget cuts in red states have forced them to lay off teachers, a majority of women lay off heal care workers majority of women. >> the same argument they use for african-american voters, that the unemployment rate is so high. in so many states, it's because so many government jobs have been cut. when you get smaller government, they want to blame you for putting people out of work. >> exactly. >> yeah, it's -- and it works. a lot of people are fooled by this. it's no different i think laura, than these politicians who come out and say freedom isn't free and cut my taxes. it's this, they're talking out of both sides of their mouth. >> and we need to reduce the debt, because that works. >> we're talking with laura bassett and taking your calls at 866-55-press. are you excited about the debate? >> super excited. i'm t
women have lost more jobs under obama than any other president. that is a statistic the romney consistently rolls out women are suffering under obama more than any other president. it's not necessarily because of obama's policies. it's budget cuts in red states have forced them to lay off teachers, a majority of women lay off heal care workers majority of women. >> the same argument they use for african-american voters, that the unemployment rate is so high. in so many states, it's...
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>> well, you know, i've always been a president obama supporter. i'm still that today. i think that, you know, he needs four more years to really make a change in the economy and get this country moving in the right direction. we definitely need more jobs. and so i'm still supporting him. and i know that he will do even better job if he can get four more years. >> okay. and just final question, your greatest rival in college, and then in the pros, larry byrd. you're both in your mid-50s, i believe. best buddies. just between us, magic, who would win in a one on one game today? you think you could still sink a the -- he could still sink a three? >> everything from the outside, larry would win. but anything going to the basket i would win. >> magic johnson. i love your smile. i love your optimism. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you, brooke, for having me. >>> now this, here we go, continuing on hour two. i'm brooke baldwin. we have to begin with this. jerry sandusky convicted child molester, former penn state assistant football coach, now heading
>> well, you know, i've always been a president obama supporter. i'm still that today. i think that, you know, he needs four more years to really make a change in the economy and get this country moving in the right direction. we definitely need more jobs. and so i'm still supporting him. and i know that he will do even better job if he can get four more years. >> okay. and just final question, your greatest rival in college, and then in the pros, larry byrd. you're both in your...